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Grizzly660MN
 
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Well all, I am suprised this topic hasnt been added previously... Lets hear your veiws on trespassing, I for one think we need stronger laws. I like the Montana laws, they dont have to post their land, ignorance is no excuse for unknowinly crossing a property line or leaving a State park to private property. You are responsible for knowing property lines. There should also be a law stating trespassers void liability responsability of property owner and insurance company in the event of trespassing accidents and stupidity. Lets hear your views on Vang, the Hmung, that was trespassing in Wisconsin on private property in a tree stand that belonged to the owner and his son. We have all heard this on the news sense November of last year. Six killed, two wounded... and a trespasser on trial. I for one am going to hit the Minnesota caucuses this year, and hit em up on new trespass laws mirriring Montana's laws...
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Grizzly660MN
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Oh, I almost forgot the best part of Montana's trespass law... 3 strikes and you lose hunting, ATV, Snowmobile privliges for a year! Lets hear what you all have to say!!!
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outlandish
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Some quotes from the hunter killer:Some of them, they deserved it, because they don't know how to talk to me." He also told a newspaper reporter that some of his victims "deserved to die" because they had disrespected him. I'll friggin disrespect him  He needs 6 life sentences 
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Grizzly660MN
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outlandish wrote: Some quotes from the hunter killer:Some of them, they deserved it, because they don't know how to talk to me." In the line of work I am in, I have begun to hate the words If you want
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Grizzly660MN
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http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=390347 Interesting read on the AR-15 boards...
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outlandish
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well alot of different opinions from my own........
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Grizzly660MN
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http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=390624 VANG GUILTY! Finds Immigrant Guilty of Murdering 6 Hunters Friday, September 16, 2005 HAYWARD, Wis. — A jury on Friday convicted an immigrant truck driver of first-degree murder in the shooting deaths of six deer hunters during a confrontation over trespassing, rejecting his claims that he fired in self-defense after one hunter used racial slurs and another shot at him. Chai Soua Vang (search), 36, faces mandatory life in prison. Wisconsin does not have a death penalty. Jurors deliberated about three hours before convicting Vang on six counts of first-degree intentional homicide and three counts of attempted homicide. In addition to the six dead, two hunters were wounded in the shootings Nov. 21 that began when the group of hunters confronted Vang for being on private land. Vang, dressed in a business suit with family members seated behind him, showed no visible emotion as the judge read the verdict. The crime rocked Wisconsin's north woods in part because four of the victims were shot in the back and all but one were unarmed, according to testimony. The slayings also occurred during the state's beloved deer hunting season and exposed racial tension between the predominantly white north woods residents and immigrants from the Hmong (search) ethnic group of Southeast Asia. Outside court, one of Vang's friends questioned the all-white jury's makeup and maintained Vang was innocent. "All Caucasian, all American. Why can't there be one Hmong? Why can't there be one minority in there?" Pofwmyeh Yang said. "I believe only one person can judge, and that's God. But God didn't judge today." Attorney General Peg Lautenschlager (search) said in her closing argument that Vang ambushed some of the victims and chased down one of them. But the defense said the confrontation was all about racial prejudice. Vang's attorney, Steven Kohn, told jurors the prosecution cannot prove who fired the first shot. Vang had testified he started firing only after one of the hunters shot at him first. "In the courtroom, the tie goes to the defendant," Kohn said. Lautenschlager reminded jurors Vang testified he felt two of the victims deserved to die because they called him names. "The physical evidence and the witness statements speak for themselves," she said. Kohn said Friday the hunters' anger at Vang was driven by racial prejudice. "It really is the straw that stirs the drink. It is the catalyst," he said. He told jurors the trial was not about the Hmong community or Wisconsin's hunting culture, but about what happened when specific individuals confronted each other in the woods. The judge had given jurors the option of finding Vang guilty on lesser charges of second-degree murder or attempted murder. Vang testified Thursday that he fired at the group of hunters because he feared for his life. At one point, he pretended to hold a rifle as he told jurors how he gunned down the victims — but he claimed it was only after a shot was fired at him. Vang, a truck driver from St. Paul, Minn., came to the United States more than 20 years ago from a refugee camp in Thailand. He said the shootings happened after one of the white hunters used profanities and racial slurs when angrily confronting him for trespassing in a tree stand used to hunt deer last fall. Two survivors of the shootings testified that only one shot was fired at Vang, and that was after he had already shot the victims. Cross-examined by Lautenschlager, Vang was asked if each victim deserved to die. Vang answered "no" in some cases and "yes" in others. He told jurors he was on the rifle team in high school in California and later served in the National Guard, where he was trained to shoot to kill. He also described himself as an experienced hunter. Wisconsin does not have a death penalty.
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outlandish
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Vang guilty of first-degree murder Chai Soua Vang was found guilty today of six counts of first-degree intentional murder in the deaths of six hunters from Wisconsin after a jury rejected his argument that he shot and killed the five men and one woman in self-defense.
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Survey Guy
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Hey, any of you guys been called a mud duck? I ask because it seems nobody has heard the term before, whereas I've been called a mud duck on many occasions at the bars in Wisc., it's not that big a deal, i just call them something worse and we go on talking and enjoying a cold one. I see in the Minneapolis Red Star in the Metro State section that they have a big article on the term Mud Duck, all I can say is get a grip people!
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Malinda1
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I agree with Grizzly--if you want respect show respect. Does that not stand to reason?
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outlandish
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Instead, he charged the group and killed two and wounded one on the spot; chased two others hundreds of yards through thick woods and shot them in the back; then ambushed and killed two others as they drove up on an ATV. He said he feared these unarmed victims would retrieve guns. In other words, he was arguing, unreasonably, for the right to pre-emptive strikes. Sensibly, the law allows for self-defense but not for strikes against imagined threats that are not immediately present. In the end, the jury didn't buy even the defendant's claim of self-defense against Willers, who denied firing a shot. The jury convicted Vang of six counts of first-degree intentional homicide and three counts of attempted homicide. In other words, the 36-year-old is destined, rightly, to spend the rest of his life in prison. The Vang family faulted the absence of a minority person on the jury, which was chosen in Madison to overcome community prejudice and relocated to Hayward for the trial. But were such a juror present, the outcome likely would have been the same, since the case was so clear-cut. The survivors deny that racial epithets were hurled at Vang, but one conceded obscenities were. Whatever the situation, words never justify a death, and none killed here deserved this fate. One can only wonder how much of what happened in Sawyer County that dreadful day reflected a culture clash and how much just a conflict between individuals. Maybe Vang, who lived in St. Paul, Minn., just has a hair-trigger temper. Or maybe differences in culture somehow played a role. In any case, hunting season is coming anew - a time woodsmen and woodswomen should strive to treat each other with courtesy and respect.
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