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cc1999 Mod 
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motrapper2 wrote: It will be mostly climbing in the hills and trail riding here in I have road out in Utah, and I have spent many 1000s of miles riding in Colorado. I would choose the Outlander, for that type of riding, a couple reasons. Lower ride hight more = more stabilty, and the bigest reason is comfort for the long rides. The T-cat, has a pretty stiff seat, where the Outy, has class leading comfort as far as seats go, also the soft smooth riding suspension combinded with that seat, would make a world of difference at the end of a 8-10 hour ride. I have spent about a grand so far tring to get my T-cat ready for these big Colorado rides this summer. I am in the process now of getting a different seat put together for the TC. Pretty much, I am trying to make my TC ride and handel like my Outlander. Still no machine is perfect, everyone has a different idea of what is perfect for them. A lot of people who buy the Outlanders have a real need to add more skid protection to them, others don't need that sort of thing. Where AtvModster lifted his TC up even higher, and went to mega sized tires, added snorkels , ect, ect. I dropped my TC a couple inches and went to softer springs and a 6 ply standard size 26" tire. Basicly I set mine up for me and where I ride, he set his up for him and where he rides. That said, its been a few years since I road out in Utah, but I don't remember seeing any deep mud bogs, same for Colorado. I am sure if you look hard enough, I am sure you can find some mud though. I personally have never needed a machine setup for mudding. I tend to go around the mud holes when I come accross them, rather than through them.  Right off the Showroom, I would say the Outlander is the better choice for what you have described motrapper2. At $8500.00 the Outy is quite a bit cheaper too. Now if power is the most important thing to you, get the TC, it can be modded to get pretty close to the same comfort factors of the Outy. Last edited on Thu Mar 20th, 2008 03:24 pm by cc1999 ____________________ Current Quads: 2009 Outlander Black 800R XT 2009 Sportsman 850 XP EPS Stealth Black "Ordered" Due in NOV/DEC 2008 Polaris Sportsman 800 X2 LE Stealth Black, Bumpers, handguards, 26" Bighorns, on Black OEM cast alum rims, side bags, and one big ole ice chest. 2006 Outlander 840 RED, Woods pipe, Cowtown Clutch work, Diamond G/Chapman heads/ Diamond G Cams / Power Commander III, Renegade seperate brakes, XT hand guards, 26" Bighorn Radials on Black type 7 rims. Recent Past Quads: 2008 ThunderCat 1000,2006 Diamond G Outy 800,2008 Honda White Rincon 680 EFI,2008 Polaris 800 RZR,2007 Can-am Renegade 800,2006 Outlander 800 XT , 2006 Outlander MAX 800,2005 Polaris 800 Sportsman |
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RaiderMike67 Member 
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ATVModster, I'm curious? Do you honestly think the TC is the wiser and more practical choice for this person or do you think it's a better choice just because you own one? I haven't ridden both so I absolutely have zero input from the TC perspective but based on his riding type/style just seems to me on the surface the Outlander would probably be the wiser choice? I'm not trying to stir the pot here but your opinions seem very slanted toward the TC while CC seems fairly unbiased toward either quad but has spent a lot of money to get his TC to handle and perform like an Outlander so that tells me something. From an unbiased perspective the TC makes no sense to me for this person for a few reasons: He said he'll be doing mountain and trail riding, not mud or rock climbing. The TC is more expensive. From what CC said, the Outlander handles a little better and is more comfortable. It doesn't sound like the TC is THAT much faster/more powerfull then the Outlander considering it's engine is 20% bigger. A 20% bigger engine making only about 10% more power isn't a good ratio IMO, not as much bang for the buck! Just curious if you're speaking from the head or the heart? You said the TC would suit him just fine for the type of riding he'll be doing. Not saying it wouldn't do the job or he would not enjoy it, I just think for the type of riding he suggested it's maybe a little more then he would need?
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atvmodster Member 
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Stock both would handle his riding style perfect. The outty is sportier feeling but if he is on steep inclines i would go with the tcat. The tcat in stock from will climb very well with the 2.5 inch londer wheel base. The tcats frame will take more abuse but the outtie will deliver a smoother ride. I say test drive both! If your into more comfort the outty will be the better one for you. If your going to be in any rugged terrian i would say go for the tcat.
____________________ 2008 Thundercat 950 H2!!! Black Magic Exhaust 3.6 Gears 25 inch maxxis Razr 4-speed tires (racing) 29.5 inch Highlifter Outlaws (mudding) Motosport Alloy Tork rims Fully Snorkaled Lifted 2006 Red Can-Am Outlander XT 800 H.O (SOLD) Had just about everything done to it possible! |
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keep in mind the 2" longer wheel base is not a Outlander comparison, but a standard cat vs the T-cat comparison (650 CAT vs T-cat ). The Tcat has only a 1" longer wheelbase than the Outlander, and all though that is helpfull in climbing, the T-cat sets up much taller than the Outy wich hurts it IMO. Handeling of the 2 right off the showroom is not IMO even close. The Outy handels much better. The T-c has a rear a-arm setup wich has always been prone to being tippy, couple that with the fact that AC is the only company that uses a rear a-arm setup without the aid of standard swaybar, just stiff springs to add stabilty. That IMO makes the the Outlander really shine in rider comfort , handeling and stabilty departments.
____________________ Current Quads: 2009 Outlander Black 800R XT 2009 Sportsman 850 XP EPS Stealth Black "Ordered" Due in NOV/DEC 2008 Polaris Sportsman 800 X2 LE Stealth Black, Bumpers, handguards, 26" Bighorns, on Black OEM cast alum rims, side bags, and one big ole ice chest. 2006 Outlander 840 RED, Woods pipe, Cowtown Clutch work, Diamond G/Chapman heads/ Diamond G Cams / Power Commander III, Renegade seperate brakes, XT hand guards, 26" Bighorn Radials on Black type 7 rims. Recent Past Quads: 2008 ThunderCat 1000,2006 Diamond G Outy 800,2008 Honda White Rincon 680 EFI,2008 Polaris 800 RZR,2007 Can-am Renegade 800,2006 Outlander 800 XT , 2006 Outlander MAX 800,2005 Polaris 800 Sportsman |
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atvmodster Member
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RIght now with my popo shocks it rides smoother then the outty but is more tippy. I am considering a sway bar possibly. ITs neat being able to drive onto a rock with the back left tire and the quad will still stay level.
____________________ 2008 Thundercat 950 H2!!! Black Magic Exhaust 3.6 Gears 25 inch maxxis Razr 4-speed tires (racing) 29.5 inch Highlifter Outlaws (mudding) Motosport Alloy Tork rims Fully Snorkaled Lifted 2006 Red Can-Am Outlander XT 800 H.O (SOLD) Had just about everything done to it possible! |
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RaiderMike67 Member
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SO, stock for stock it's really sounding like the Outlander would be his better choice. Smoother ride, better handling, more comfortable, pretty close in power, less weight and less money.
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atvmodster Member
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I would go with the tcat but thats me. We all have our own opinions. To me the tcat is built more solid and will take alot of abuse. If you want a plusher ride the outlander does have that and the soft seat has some to do with this as well. IMO i will not buy a can-am again unless they beef up there frame,change there belt system to a wet clutch set up with different covers, true locker 4 wheel drive and add some ground clearence. Around hear there is getting to be quite a few can-ams that have less the 2000 miles and are haveing clutch problems as well. Sheaves are wearing out and the primary clutchs are needing to be rebuilt and the helixs are blowing up. Other then them things the can-am is an awesome machine out of the box. Very smooth and lots of power. They also love to wheelie! The outlander wheelies easier then the tcat due to shorter wheel base and a harder engagement of the clutch. The outlander does feel more nimble with its smaller size. Right now my tcat feels like a very smooth and more powerfull brute force with my longer polaris shocks. With the stock suspension i thought the tcat was more stable then the outlander but not as smooth.
____________________ 2008 Thundercat 950 H2!!! Black Magic Exhaust 3.6 Gears 25 inch maxxis Razr 4-speed tires (racing) 29.5 inch Highlifter Outlaws (mudding) Motosport Alloy Tork rims Fully Snorkaled Lifted 2006 Red Can-Am Outlander XT 800 H.O (SOLD) Had just about everything done to it possible! |
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RaiderMike67 Member
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Interesting, I keep up on a few different forums and this is the first I've heard of Outlanders having all these types of problems. I think I read one forum a few years old about a guy who had a problem with his helix but it was one of the very first production units and the problem was fixed immediately. You have one of those initial production models yourself, who knows what kind of hiccups you'll encounter over the next year?? Everyone is entitled to their opinion but they should be based on some kind of point of reference. Such as "I think the TC is a better choice because.........." instead we get what you'd personally choose yet clearly state you've already had to spend more money on top of a $10k+ quad just to get it more "smooth" then an Outlander yet still admit it isn't still quite as comfortable and doesnt' handle quite as well. If the TC is set up in stock form for mud and rocks it simply makes no sense to me to suggest to this guy that it would be a better option. That is my point. We all know YOU like the TC and it is your preference but you've also stated you like to do the mud/rock thing and this guy hasn't expressed an interest or desire for either. So again I'll ask the question. Based on this posters riding type is the TC really the better choice for HIM?
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atvmodster Member
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The tcat in stock form is built for trail and mud more then the other cat quads. They lowered it and gave it ride in suspension. I myself wanted a powerful 4 wheel drive with lots of ground clearence for mudding and going over obstacles and that is why i put the polaris shocks on. The stock tcat is more like the outlander then the other cats. This forum sucks for guys that dont sit hear and cheer about outlanders all day. YOu guys are only happy when you hear what you wanna hear. This is why all the forums other then can-am are dead on this site!
____________________ 2008 Thundercat 950 H2!!! Black Magic Exhaust 3.6 Gears 25 inch maxxis Razr 4-speed tires (racing) 29.5 inch Highlifter Outlaws (mudding) Motosport Alloy Tork rims Fully Snorkaled Lifted 2006 Red Can-Am Outlander XT 800 H.O (SOLD) Had just about everything done to it possible! |
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atvmodster wrote: The tcat in stock form is built for trail and mud more then the other cat quads. They lowered it and gave it ride in suspension. I myself wanted a powerful 4 wheel drive with lots of ground clearence for mudding and going over obstacles and that is why i put the polaris shocks on. The stock tcat is more like the outlander then the other cats. This forum sucks for guys that don't sit hear and cheer about outlanders all day. YOu guys are only happy when you hear what you wanna hear. This is why all the forums other then can-am are dead on this site! Gee... can you say Pot/kettle??? seems to me that YOU are pushing what YOU like andwhat YOU ride and not considering his intended use. if he was going to be mud riding and rock crawling we would be telling him to check out the TCat. just like if they were saying they wanted it to work mostly on a ranch or farm we would be telling em to check out Honda's gee that's a plot twist eh... ://// seems funny that we get a very honest opinion from cc1999 (and he owns both) that is completely opposite of yers and yet we all agree with what he has to say. you sound more like massmudder every day. WE LIKE THE TCAT!!! it has its pluses that the outtys don't. but that goes both ways. its ok for you to tell yerself that we like it and its ok for you to even believe it. :/// the biggest thing for this future buyer to figure out is how he is going to use the machine and they have done that already. you have to do major mods to an outlander to make it a mud/rock crawler. you have to do major mods to a TCAT to make it a nimble/plush trail machine. will both quads do both styles of riding in stock form??? yes! will they do both styles equally as well with out mods??? no. the reason we are mostly canam isn't because we don't like other brands its cause this was... in its very beginnings... and still is THE place to go for canam info. the other areas are growing slowly 
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RaiderMike67 Member
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Your honor, I rest my case!
____________________ 06 Outlander 800, 25" Kenda Bounty Hunters front, 25" Duro Power Grips rear, HMF Penland Exhaust,HPG front shocks, billet shifter, racks removed, XT handguards, plastic skids, 06 Dodge Ram "Bighorn" Crystal Red, 17" Wildcats, Ram Chrome wheels, Line-X, 06 Saturn ION |
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atvmodster Member
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cc1999 and I do different things with are atvs. I think he does like his outty better. Where he will go around a mud hole I will go right through it, where he goes around a log on a trail i will go right over it. I also use my atv for hunting and pulling out animals out of the bush that we have taken and for this i would prefer to be on the tcat hands down. NOt saying the outty cant or wont do it but this type of riding is where the the tcat is at home. YOu guys think cc1999 is the honest one because you like what he has to say. If i was cc1999 that likes to go to the dunes and do high speed trail riding i would of never bought the tcat. I could of told you it wasent for him. He lowered a 4 wheel drive atv which to me kinda of defeats the purpose of it. Thats like buying a chevy z71 and lowering it? I have owned both as well and i told you guys how i feel about both. YOU can physically look at the thundercat and outlander and know which is going to be better for nimble trail riding and which is going to be better for rocks, stumps and mud. If you like to use your atv for the kind of riding cc1999 does get a outlander if your riding style is like mine get a thundercat! I have raced fastford and drove his renegade and i told him how his is much more sporty feeling and handles better but for what i do its not for me! Just like how my thundercat felt huge to him. The thundercat is not for everyone but it sure works for me! Last edited on Sat Mar 22nd, 2008 06:03 pm by atvmodster ____________________ 2008 Thundercat 950 H2!!! Black Magic Exhaust 3.6 Gears 25 inch maxxis Razr 4-speed tires (racing) 29.5 inch Highlifter Outlaws (mudding) Motosport Alloy Tork rims Fully Snorkaled Lifted 2006 Red Can-Am Outlander XT 800 H.O (SOLD) Had just about everything done to it possible! |
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Thats pretty much what I was saying. However I didn't lower it that much, its not a lower rider or anything, its just more more in line with most every other 4x4 ATV on the market now, and it only cost a 200 bucks to bring it down an inch or two. It might come as a suprise to you, but I get PMs all the time now from AC owners from 400's to Tcats, that are specifically asking what they need to do to get there machines lower and more stable like mine. Believe it or not I have answered that question to 3 different AC owners just this morning. I am starting think you are almost offened by the fact that I bought a TC, becasue I am not lifting it and modding it all out for mud bogging like you have. I say to each there own, I would venture to guess that most TC owners that are modding them out have spent way more time and money to make them more mudd ready than I spent on mine making it more trail ready. From what I have seen, the typical Tcat owner does like to play in mud, also many like yourself apparently are not happy with the T-cat off the showroom either, since snorkels and lifting it up and gearing it down for massive tires were all what was needed to get it to meet your needs. My point to the originall question was that if power was not parimount, and making modds were not planned, that the Outy is a better trail quad off the showroom. I think a valid point tp make though, is that neither machine is made for the mud boggs without expensive mods like snorkels, lifts, big tires, ect, ect, IMO no machine is ready fot the pit or swamp lands without some mods. There are several machines that are really pretty much trail ready right off the showroom, or at least real close to being ready. Last edited on Sat Mar 22nd, 2008 06:16 pm by cc1999 ____________________ Current Quads: 2009 Outlander Black 800R XT 2009 Sportsman 850 XP EPS Stealth Black "Ordered" Due in NOV/DEC 2008 Polaris Sportsman 800 X2 LE Stealth Black, Bumpers, handguards, 26" Bighorns, on Black OEM cast alum rims, side bags, and one big ole ice chest. 2006 Outlander 840 RED, Woods pipe, Cowtown Clutch work, Diamond G/Chapman heads/ Diamond G Cams / Power Commander III, Renegade seperate brakes, XT hand guards, 26" Bighorn Radials on Black type 7 rims. Recent Past Quads: 2008 ThunderCat 1000,2006 Diamond G Outy 800,2008 Honda White Rincon 680 EFI,2008 Polaris 800 RZR,2007 Can-am Renegade 800,2006 Outlander 800 XT , 2006 Outlander MAX 800,2005 Polaris 800 Sportsman |
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atvmodster Member
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It dont matter what atv i own i will always be spending money on it to make it better suit my needs. Unfortantly none of these quads come with decent snorkals. I really didnt spend to much on the poposhocks. Under $200 for 4! As far as the gear change the tcat really does not need it at all. It is handy with the 29.5s thow. I beat a modded renegade in a drag before the gear change. I think a good clutch kit would be better suited for most riders.
____________________ 2008 Thundercat 950 H2!!! Black Magic Exhaust 3.6 Gears 25 inch maxxis Razr 4-speed tires (racing) 29.5 inch Highlifter Outlaws (mudding) Motosport Alloy Tork rims Fully Snorkaled Lifted 2006 Red Can-Am Outlander XT 800 H.O (SOLD) Had just about everything done to it possible! |
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cc1999 i read before that you were looking to make your suspension on your tcat work more independently. The polaris shocks work excelent for this. I can park one tire on a huge rock and the tcat still sits level. It rides very smooth. If you could find a shock like this that is shorter in length it would really benifit you. I might put the swaybar on mine but not sure yet. I like the true independent ride!
____________________ 2008 Thundercat 950 H2!!! Black Magic Exhaust 3.6 Gears 25 inch maxxis Razr 4-speed tires (racing) 29.5 inch Highlifter Outlaws (mudding) Motosport Alloy Tork rims Fully Snorkaled Lifted 2006 Red Can-Am Outlander XT 800 H.O (SOLD) Had just about everything done to it possible! |
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Right now my tcat in the rear has over 10 inches of true travel.
____________________ 2008 Thundercat 950 H2!!! Black Magic Exhaust 3.6 Gears 25 inch maxxis Razr 4-speed tires (racing) 29.5 inch Highlifter Outlaws (mudding) Motosport Alloy Tork rims Fully Snorkaled Lifted 2006 Red Can-Am Outlander XT 800 H.O (SOLD) Had just about everything done to it possible! |
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Thats a really good idea. All the sportsmans that I have owned, all road really really smooth. Since I already have the swaybar, that would probably still take care of the stabilty I want, but to have that sprotsman ride quality, now that would be really cool as well.  My 2000, and 2001 sprotsman 500's had a noticably shorter ride hight than my 05' 800 did. I might have to start there. I for some reason thought you only chaged your rear shocks over to the sportsman shocks, and did something different on the front? Were you able to make the polaris shocks work both on the rear and front? Since the polaris's all have struts up front I thought I better ask, to make sure I am looking at the right pieces. Also what year and model polaris parts did you go with. I am thinking if yours were off one of the newer sportsmans, then just maybe the older ones like one from a 00' model would likey be shorter and maybe just the ticket. Last edited on Sat Mar 22nd, 2008 07:19 pm by cc1999 ____________________ Current Quads: 2009 Outlander Black 800R XT 2009 Sportsman 850 XP EPS Stealth Black "Ordered" Due in NOV/DEC 2008 Polaris Sportsman 800 X2 LE Stealth Black, Bumpers, handguards, 26" Bighorns, on Black OEM cast alum rims, side bags, and one big ole ice chest. 2006 Outlander 840 RED, Woods pipe, Cowtown Clutch work, Diamond G/Chapman heads/ Diamond G Cams / Power Commander III, Renegade seperate brakes, XT hand guards, 26" Bighorn Radials on Black type 7 rims. Recent Past Quads: 2008 ThunderCat 1000,2006 Diamond G Outy 800,2008 Honda White Rincon 680 EFI,2008 Polaris 800 RZR,2007 Can-am Renegade 800,2006 Outlander 800 XT , 2006 Outlander MAX 800,2005 Polaris 800 Sportsman |
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I currently only have them on the rear but have a set on the way for the front. As of right now i got a 2 inch lift in the front. YOu do have to grind down the eye holes on the popo shocks because they are wider then the eye holes on the ac shocks. The first shock was a bit of a pain but once i got used to it the next one was very easy to do. http://www.ridgerunner.biz/parts.htm This is the site i ordered my second set from. I believe mine are off of a 07 sportsman. All sportsman shocks were the same from 05-07. These shocks will fit the front as well but i will have to grind the eye holes as well. THese shocks on the front lift it about an inch and lift it 2 inches in the rear. The front stock shocks are longer then the rear ones on ac's. NEver have measured forsure on the thundercat but i assume they are as well. When i first mounted these shocks i thought it was going to be very stiff because when you push down on the back of the quad it barily moves. As soon as you take it for the first spin you will be surprised at how much smoother they are and how it lets the suspension work way more independently. Right now my rear is way smoother then the front. Should have my popo's for the front by the end of next week! Last edited on Sat Mar 22nd, 2008 07:43 pm by atvmodster ____________________ 2008 Thundercat 950 H2!!! Black Magic Exhaust 3.6 Gears 25 inch maxxis Razr 4-speed tires (racing) 29.5 inch Highlifter Outlaws (mudding) Motosport Alloy Tork rims Fully Snorkaled Lifted 2006 Red Can-Am Outlander XT 800 H.O (SOLD) Had just about everything done to it possible! |
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Another thing i might add is these rear shocks will rub stock rims. There will be no issues with rubbing in the front thow. I had to run 2 washers on each stud between wheel and hub in the rear to run this setup with stock wheels. The popo shocks are much larger in diameter then the cat ones.
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